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we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin. it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds simplistic. because it's odorless and tasteless and hard to detect, you have to get out of the area. you can get poisoned by ingestion and inhaling and touching it. it can be on your clothes, for example. you get out of the way and take off your clothes or anything exposed to it. soap and water and try to rinse your body. it's a heavier gas as compared to what else is in the area, so it lingers closer to the ground. getting to higher elevation can help. these sound like simplistic things but short of a medication given right away, there's not much else to do. >> it's really scary stuff
we also don't know at what point would the assad regime re-sort to using sarin. it's my hypothesis that they will if they start getting slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people at risk in areas where assad regime might use them r or could use them or some other group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something you can do? >> they don't have access to medications, the at row peen for for example. you have to goit of the area, which sounds...
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when assad goes, as he probably will, there are kurds up in the north there are sunnis who might want to join with the sunnies in iraq. and i think that we're comes to a very, very difficult period in the middle east, far more difficult than last couple of years because we're going to see whether these countries actually are countries. >> schieffer: and isn't one of the real problems here, michael, is when we talk about these chemical weapons, maybe not so much that assad might use those on his own people but somehow in this chaos, that al qaeda, some of these other people, might get control of one of these things. >> but this is one of the concerns. the critics of administration policy on this say we evaporate beewe haven't been active enough and all that's results would happen-- you would have destabilization of the secretion humanitarian problems. they have all happened. the fact that america wasn't more engaged earlier and actively in this process i think was probably a mistake. >> we can't assume that western powers like the united states any more in an age of twitter and faceboo
when assad goes, as he probably will, there are kurds up in the north there are sunnis who might want to join with the sunnies in iraq. and i think that we're comes to a very, very difficult period in the middle east, far more difficult than last couple of years because we're going to see whether these countries actually are countries. >> schieffer: and isn't one of the real problems here, michael, is when we talk about these chemical weapons, maybe not so much that assad might use those...
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syrian president bashar assad sent an envoy to several latin american nation to scout location for asylum. special senators from at 6:00 eastern. back to my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: treb story of the homeless man given boots from cop on cold night in new york city last month? it turns out he is not hom homeless. jeffrey and the nypd officer became internet sensations after a photographer snapped the touching moment between them. the city officials said he has an apartment to live in, paid for by federal housing vouchers. and he continues to liver on the streets. we thought this is a common problem, especially in san francisco. and the bay area. although you provide housing, federally funded housing, many of the people that found themselves indigent or homeless chose not to even live in those shelters. instead take to the street. we touch on mental illness and those who will take medication. they don't want to feel sick. they take them and end up on the street. >> he has had some problems. he was cold and he was there. i don't want to take away what the officer did.
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the assad regime is breaking apart. rebel units are being -- are winning and taking over real military bases, but they are still not destroying the regime as of yet. i would say it has some time to go. >> richard engel, thank you so much, richard. thank you. thanks for all your reporting from over there. one major concern, of course, has been assad's stockpile of chemical weapons, which president obama warned last week that he should not use or else risk the consequences. defense secretary kenya commented today. >> i would like to believe he has the message. we have made it pretty clear, and others have as well. it's also clear that the opposition continues to make gains in syria, and our concern is that if they feel like the regime is, you know, threatened with collapse that, they might resort to these kinds of weapons. >> washington post david ignacious joins me. you have been reporting inside syria and throughout the region. what is the appropriate course for the administration? the president trying to warn assad, bu
the assad regime is breaking apart. rebel units are being -- are winning and taking over real military bases, but they are still not destroying the regime as of yet. i would say it has some time to go. >> richard engel, thank you so much, richard. thank you. thanks for all your reporting from over there. one major concern, of course, has been assad's stockpile of chemical weapons, which president obama warned last week that he should not use or else risk the consequences. defense...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance on who's in charge in syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. bob, i appreciate you being on. barbara starr as well. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while lawmakers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. it's modeled on the americans with disabilities act. 38 republican senators blocked it with their votes. you might ask, why would they do that? we'll tell you, ahead. >>> an arrest of a death of a new york man pushed on the tracks and killed by a subway, tonight on "360" i'll talk to another man who jumped on the tracks once and saved a man's life three years ago. he says all the criticism for those who didn't help thi
assad could go into asylum tomorrow. the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance on who's in charge in syria the day after assad leaves, this problem of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff. and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. bob, i appreciate you being on. barbara starr as well. we'll continue to follow it, as well. >>> up next, while...
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assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. >>> up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed to find time to vote on a treaty that would have protected disabled around the world. republicans blocked it with their vote. you might ask, why would they do that? you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting
assad could go into asylum tomorrow, the crisis would not end. if you do not have an orderly transition of power, if you have no assurance, who's in charge of syria the day after assad leaves, this part of securing the chemical weapons becomes perhaps even more dire. >> it's sobering stuff, and bob's assessment of the power of just one shell in a city like homs. we appreciate you to be on. >>> up next, while law makers have been battling over the fiscal cliff crisis, they managed...
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here's what he said. >> i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable. >> nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in syria to bring us the very latest on what is of course a developing story. richard? >> reporter: david, despite increasing criticism and warnings, the government of bashir al assad is revving up the campaign against the opposition. this area was bombed last night. regarding chemical weapons, commanders we have spoken to are very concerned that the government could use chemical weapons. they are completely not prepared for that eventuality. they don't have gas masks. they don't have medicine. there's no early warning system here. they have appealed for some kind of training, but so far on the ground there is nothing that could protect them from any kind of deadly chemical weapon that could be used. they are also, rebel commanders
here's what he said. >> i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable. >> nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in syria to bring us the very latest on what is of course a developing story. richard? >> reporter: david, despite...
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we also don't know at what point would the assad regime resort the using sarin. it's my hypothesis they will if they're starting to get slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people who are at risk, i mean in areas where the assad regime could or might use them or another group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something to do to prepro tekt yourself? >> they presumably don't have access to the medication. you have to get out of the area but keep in mind this -- because it's odorless and tasteless and very hard to detect, you have to get out of area and also because you can get poisoned again by ingestion and inhaling or simply touching it, it can be on the clothes, the clothes could be a vehicle so you get out of the way. you take off your clothes or anything that may have been exposed to it, soap and water, rinse your body as much as also. one thing is it's a heavier gas compared to that what's in that area and lingers closer to the ground and getting to higher elevation can help. it sounds simplistic but short of a medic
we also don't know at what point would the assad regime resort the using sarin. it's my hypothesis they will if they're starting to get slaughtered. it could happen. they will use it. >> sanjay, for people who are at risk, i mean in areas where the assad regime could or might use them or another group, what can they do to protect themselves? is there something to do to prepro tekt yourself? >> they presumably don't have access to the medication. you have to get out of the area but...
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said today that he does not think that countries ought to offer exile to assad. where are we heading here? is the regime, first of all we understand that the u.s. is going to recognize the occupation -- opposition next week. is the regime close to teetering and do we have to worry about the chemical weapons? >> yes. the answer is secretary clinton is right on. we do have to worry about them. i had a briefing this morning regarding this. obviously i can't release any classified details, but sufficient to say that the threat is real. the warning is real. we have made it crystal clear, president obama, secretary clinton, be have made it absolutely clear as have other countries this is a red line and i believe president assad has received that message from several quarters. the question now is, you know, will someone else grab on to them? there's certainly risks where we are with respect to syria. i would not close the door completely to some kind of an agreement whereby president assad could move to another country and the reason i say that is, that the dangers of a
said today that he does not think that countries ought to offer exile to assad. where are we heading here? is the regime, first of all we understand that the u.s. is going to recognize the occupation -- opposition next week. is the regime close to teetering and do we have to worry about the chemical weapons? >> yes. the answer is secretary clinton is right on. we do have to worry about them. i had a briefing this morning regarding this. obviously i can't release any classified details,...
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what youou do with assad comes second. but those weapons cannot be used. >> oh, yes so we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> ohh. >> it was assigned in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have moral suasion. treaties are useless. what matters is force. the united states president says that something w will happen if they use them to do you think he cares if i.t. is written on a treaty? >> who said treaty? >> i am making a retroactive point. >> making a red line this is important. i am not sure what the red line is. and i am not sure how you bomb chemical weapons. >> you cannot. >> it comes down to what form will that intervention take? >> there is no use of a drone. if this ppens, you have to seize the weapons. >> what of the weapons fall at the hands -- >> i think the real issue is not that assad will l usehem, because he hangs if he does that. the world will t give them refuge in russia orlsewhere. the problem is if he is losing antril air bases, military bases, losing co
what youou do with assad comes second. but those weapons cannot be used. >> oh, yes so we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> ohh. >> it was assigned in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have moral suasion. treaties are useless. what matters is force. the united states president says that something w will happen if they use them to do you think he cares if i.t. is written on a treaty? >> who said treaty? >> i am...
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up until now russia focused on maintaining assad in power. looks like they may be open to the possibility much protecting their interests without protecting assad. sandra: let's spin this forward. here are words from the nato secretary-general rasmussen. ayeing quote, urging al-assad to initiate a process to accommodate the legitimate aspirations of the syrian people. reading that i'm not sure exactly what that would entail. how do you see it? >> i see that as nato hoping for something that simply will not happen. the assad family has been in power for quite some time in syria. they have no intentions of leaving peacefully the fact of the matter there may not be an easy out for the assad regime. there may be nowhere for them to fall back to or escape to. because of the country's demographicses because how interwoven warring ethnicities tribes, religions, are, no easy answer for assad to engage from this. while everyone wants a peaceful solution i just don't see that as a viable outcome at this point. in terms of nato they're pushing very hard
up until now russia focused on maintaining assad in power. looks like they may be open to the possibility much protecting their interests without protecting assad. sandra: let's spin this forward. here are words from the nato secretary-general rasmussen. ayeing quote, urging al-assad to initiate a process to accommodate the legitimate aspirations of the syrian people. reading that i'm not sure exactly what that would entail. how do you see it? >> i see that as nato hoping for something...
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with assad and all that, that comes second with those weapons cannot be used. >> we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> oh. >> it was signed in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have the moral suasion all over the world. treaties are useless. what matters is forced. >> are we -- we -- >> hold on a second. the united states president says something will happen. do you think he cares if it is written on a treaty and a turtle bay? >> treaty? >> i am making a retroactive. . > -- retroactive point. >> making a red line is important. i am not sure with the red line is. i am not sure how you bomb chemical weapons. >> you cannot. >> what form will the united states intervention take? >> there is no use of what brown her -- of a drone here. >> what if the weapons fall into the hands -- >> the real issue is not that assad is going to use them, because he hangs if he does that. the world will not give him refuge in russia or elsewhere the problem is if he is losing control, if he is using air bases, if this stuff in there in the hands of jihadist
with assad and all that, that comes second with those weapons cannot be used. >> we have a treaty that says you cannot use chemical weapons. >> oh. >> it was signed in the 1990's, and a big advocate? joe biden, who said it would have the moral suasion all over the world. treaties are useless. what matters is forced. >> are we -- we -- >> hold on a second. the united states president says something will happen. do you think he cares if it is written on a treaty and...
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government troops have loaded bombs with sarin gas in what may be the last-ditch attempt for president assad to hold onto power. but as barbara starr reports now, a u.s. military strike on syria is not without risk. >> reporter: with the u.s. now believing the syrian government has chemical-filled bombs, cnn has learned the pentagon is secretly updating military strike options for president obama in the event he orders action. a senior u.s. official tells cnn a strike could be carried out with the ships and aircraft already stationed in the region. the planning is being driven by the latest intelligence which u.s. officials say shows sarin gas has been loaded into aerial bombs in at least two locations near airfields. syria seems to have crossed the line drawn by the president last august. >> a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. >> reporter: this week that line seems to have shifted with warnings from the president, secretary of defense panetta, and others focusing on what happens if assad uses the weapons. >> see, these line
government troops have loaded bombs with sarin gas in what may be the last-ditch attempt for president assad to hold onto power. but as barbara starr reports now, a u.s. military strike on syria is not without risk. >> reporter: with the u.s. now believing the syrian government has chemical-filled bombs, cnn has learned the pentagon is secretly updating military strike options for president obama in the event he orders action. a senior u.s. official tells cnn a strike could be carried out...
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meanwhile, the president of ecuador denied yesterday that syrian leader assad has requested asylum there. >>> john mcafee is back on u.s. soil after being deported from guatemala on immigration violations. the anti-virus millionaire is miami. they are not involves in the belize investigation into the death of mcafee's neighbor. asked if he was concerned about extradition, mcafee responded. >> i'm not worried at all. if i'm in front of a court, there is nothing in the world they will do to send me back. they have no evidence. they're obviously trumped up charges. this is the only attempt they charged me. >> mcafee is currently free in the u.s. he remains a person of interest and the belize police would still like to talk to them. >>> there are new details this morning about cause of death of the london nurse who was caught up in that radio station's prank phone call while caring for kate the duchess of cambridge. we have a reporter in london with more. good morning. >> good morning, lynn. that inquest opened this morning. it was brief. the coroner confirmed that nurse involved in the roya
meanwhile, the president of ecuador denied yesterday that syrian leader assad has requested asylum there. >>> john mcafee is back on u.s. soil after being deported from guatemala on immigration violations. the anti-virus millionaire is miami. they are not involves in the belize investigation into the death of mcafee's neighbor. asked if he was concerned about extradition, mcafee responded. >> i'm not worried at all. if i'm in front of a court, there is nothing in the world they...
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it is ugly now because of assad. it could get ugly after. >> rose: because we don't know what is coming exactly? >> see, this is the thing that i often would talk about and maybe, maybe it is another reason it was a good time to leave, is because i became over the years, i spent most of my career in cia trying to forecast what people would do, and how things would turn out and when it comes to saying what is going to happen, we have every reason to be very modest about our abilities to do that. because the truth is, we can monitor weapons, we can monitor movements of military forces, but the decision to use them or how to use them is something that often is a mystery to us. and sometimes because the protagonist himself doesn't know walt he is going to do. so i have -- i became very cautious and, again, it may have been one of the reasons i decided to leave, i became very cautious about the use of military force, because the consequences are so unpredictable. maybe it will be a small reaction, but maybe not. and then
it is ugly now because of assad. it could get ugly after. >> rose: because we don't know what is coming exactly? >> see, this is the thing that i often would talk about and maybe, maybe it is another reason it was a good time to leave, is because i became over the years, i spent most of my career in cia trying to forecast what people would do, and how things would turn out and when it comes to saying what is going to happen, we have every reason to be very modest about our abilities...
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is bashar al-assad sensing that he's up against anything this that regard? >> well, that's where i think the administration is talking about a red line lacks credibility. the administration, the president in particular has said if bashar al-assad uses chemical weapons there will be consequences. well, what consequences? indictment by the international criminal court? for somebody in bashar al-assad's situation that is a pretty thin deterrent. and yet we also have to remember, these are very dangerous substances. so we cannot be casual about talking about inserting american or other nato forces as if we're just going to pick these things up like aloof of bread and take them out of the country or destroy them in place. the risk to our personnel i think also has to be taken into account. martha: it seems like two basic scenarios exist right now, either bashar al-assad decides he wants to stay in power and he decides to go ahead and use the chemical weapons to beat the people back, and to make them lose their will to fight him and then he would stay. the other o
is bashar al-assad sensing that he's up against anything this that regard? >> well, that's where i think the administration is talking about a red line lacks credibility. the administration, the president in particular has said if bashar al-assad uses chemical weapons there will be consequences. well, what consequences? indictment by the international criminal court? for somebody in bashar al-assad's situation that is a pretty thin deterrent. and yet we also have to remember, these are...
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not for what they did with assad, for who they are. the army today and their leader need to come out publicly and say that there will be a formula of power sharing for the future of syria for a post-assad era that include them and not exclude them. they need to understand that they will be safe and be protected. >> so enjoyed this insightful conversation. thanks to both of you. >>> coming up, a major tea party player stepping aside. what will the lack of it mean for the army of conservative followers? we'll talk about that and what jim demint's departure will mean as well. >>> plus, how many justin biebers can you buy for the amount of money we spent on the 2012 election? it's an odd question, but we're going to answer it straight ahead. this is msnbc, the place for politics. wasn't my daughter's black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. gas-x is designed to
not for what they did with assad, for who they are. the army today and their leader need to come out publicly and say that there will be a formula of power sharing for the future of syria for a post-assad era that include them and not exclude them. they need to understand that they will be safe and be protected. >> so enjoyed this insightful conversation. thanks to both of you. >>> coming up, a major tea party player stepping aside. what will the lack of it mean for the army of...
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is there are real threats that assad really has weapons or is this just a complete propaganda tool to rally people behind us intervention here. well tell us how to tell you i'm going to petition to save or not but i think i have i believe personally that yes they do have weapons but of course that was never denied or. acknowledged by the syrian government so but you know i think the jury has not been signatory to any of the conventions regarding can work in a way that is telling but the same time now you know the u.s. has the biggest weapons of mass destruction arsenal in the world and nuclear so it's a real that was done do it and you know they say the jury i will use these weapons against their own people i don't believe that they need to this say that they want but i don't believe that they need to because the syrian army is is basically. doing by controlling at this stage it is now and i think what's really going on here is not to fall first of all the u.s. is looking for ways to intervene as it did in iraq. heard the same rhetoric and suppose it intel that we're supposed to rely
is there are real threats that assad really has weapons or is this just a complete propaganda tool to rally people behind us intervention here. well tell us how to tell you i'm going to petition to save or not but i think i have i believe personally that yes they do have weapons but of course that was never denied or. acknowledged by the syrian government so but you know i think the jury has not been signatory to any of the conventions regarding can work in a way that is telling but the same...
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bashar al-assad is a key link. efforts to support moderate forces opposing him within syria should be considered now and considered seriously. i have recently called for a more robust u.s. response to the crisis in syria. i believe that a political transition to a government that reflects the will of the syrian people is also in the core security interest of united states and the region. moreover, this change would align with our values of supporting the democratic process and the basic rights and freedom that should be enjoyed by all people, regardless of religion, ethnicity, or gender. over the course of the past 20 months, the aside regime has unleashed a barrage of unspeakable -- assad regime has unleashed a barrage of unspeakable terror across the country. more than 40,000 syrians have been killed, countless have been injured. refugees have surged into neighboring turkey, jordan, lebanon, and iraq, taxing the limits of those countries. assad's escalation of violence has reached a point where fighter jets have
bashar al-assad is a key link. efforts to support moderate forces opposing him within syria should be considered now and considered seriously. i have recently called for a more robust u.s. response to the crisis in syria. i believe that a political transition to a government that reflects the will of the syrian people is also in the core security interest of united states and the region. moreover, this change would align with our values of supporting the democratic process and the basic rights...
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reiterated for quite some time if assad did anything with those chemical weapons and utilize them in any way, theat would be a red line that brought on consequences. there's not concern that bashar al assad might iutilize them against his own people but if weapons are still there terrorists could get hands on weapons and utilize those chemical weapons. you have this nbc news report. also on monday important to remind our viewers, cnn reported that they had word from u.s. officials that in fact syria had begun mixing chemical weapons and that would be done to create sarin for weapons in the future. they say there was no sign that the syrian officials were going to do anything with those weapons any time soon. important to remember that. also important to remember that the syrian regime has said yet again today that they have no intention of doing anything with chemical weapons of utilizing them against the syrian people and they also said today that any type of foreign military intervention in syria would be catastrophic for the region. >> let me ask you. you are in lebanon and that's
reiterated for quite some time if assad did anything with those chemical weapons and utilize them in any way, theat would be a red line that brought on consequences. there's not concern that bashar al assad might iutilize them against his own people but if weapons are still there terrorists could get hands on weapons and utilize those chemical weapons. you have this nbc news report. also on monday important to remind our viewers, cnn reported that they had word from u.s. officials that in fact...
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if anything, i think assad may be a prisoner of his security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by his aides. >> when do the nato forces and nato troops come in? it has to happen. >> i don't think they're going to go in on the ground. i think we're going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other help, intelligence assistance for the rebels. we're not going to see nato troops on the ground. >> it's going to be an interesting few weeks, i think. >>> let's move quickly to egypt. a lot of difficult scenarios there developing, with president morsi, apparently, showing a few traits of mubarak, with the executive orders he's giving himself. did he need to do this? and what is the fallout going to be here? the big protests all through cairo are the eruptions in egypt. >> he blew it. first of all, the grab for power from the judges. he compounded that today, by allowing his people, the muslim brotherhood to go out and crack heads. several people appear to have been killed. he's made things worse for himself. but that said, this is the first
if anything, i think assad may be a prisoner of his security establishment. i don't think he will be pushed aside by his aides. >> when do the nato forces and nato troops come in? it has to happen. >> i don't think they're going to go in on the ground. i think we're going to see patriot missiles in turkey. we may see other help, intelligence assistance for the rebels. we're not going to see nato troops on the ground. >> it's going to be an interesting few weeks, i think....
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the dominant rebel group fighting in syria and maybe the dominant leadership if and when president assad is defeated. and apparently as a result, the state department has now decided to designate al nusra as officially a terror organization, and that makes it illegal for americans to give that group money or training or weapons. it's a very odd position to be in, given that we are helping the opposition, at least so far, with some of the training. >>> tempers boiling hot, tanks in the streets of cairo and dueling protesters for and against the president there, mohammed morsi. they're facing off yet again this hour. these are the scenes they're sealing on a daily basis now. the issue is a referendum on a draft constitution that has been ordered by president morsi and scheduled for saturday. this coming saturday. morsi has deployed the army to maintain order and has given them sweeping powers to arrest civilians in the streets. reza sayah is in cairo outside of the presidential palace. give me an update on how things are today and if anything is changing or if it's getting any worse. >> re
the dominant rebel group fighting in syria and maybe the dominant leadership if and when president assad is defeated. and apparently as a result, the state department has now decided to designate al nusra as officially a terror organization, and that makes it illegal for americans to give that group money or training or weapons. it's a very odd position to be in, given that we are helping the opposition, at least so far, with some of the training. >>> tempers boiling hot, tanks in the...
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all this appears to be mounting pressure on the assad regime. anybody predicting the assad regime will fall anytime soon, it's a theory that has been floated for several years and it hasn't come to be. he has managed to hold on to power this long. but there are shifts in the ground movement in syria right now that are leading to conclusions that this war could be coming to an tend for president assad. megyn: the president has been briefed on the worst case scenario on what ground operation would be necessary. the pentagon estimates it will take 25,000 troops to seize syria's chemical weapons stockpile. just ahead, general jack keane will join us live to discuss the implications of sending u.s. missiles to the board and why this cache' of chemical weapons requires such a response. >> more on the attack on our consulate in benghazi. james clapper walked house lawmakers through the details of the attack that ended with the death of ambassador chris stevens and three others. clapper trying to answer questions about president obama's handling of inte
all this appears to be mounting pressure on the assad regime. anybody predicting the assad regime will fall anytime soon, it's a theory that has been floated for several years and it hasn't come to be. he has managed to hold on to power this long. but there are shifts in the ground movement in syria right now that are leading to conclusions that this war could be coming to an tend for president assad. megyn: the president has been briefed on the worst case scenario on what ground operation...
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the moral hesitancy assad may have about using them. >> regardless of what happens to al assad, we had this threat, this problem, not only to us, but to our allies in the region. turkey, jordan, israel, all worry if assad falls, there must be a plan to secure these chemical weapon sites, but we should tell our viewers that u.s. militaries understood this problem and have been planning and work wg allies over the region over the course of the last 12 months. they have been planning for it. >> thank you very much. both of you. "outfront" next, a 20-year veteran of the navy accused tonight of being a spy. why officials think he was leaking crucial secrets to the russians and as two states prepare to -- sir richard bransens tells us why the war on drugs has been an utter failure. [ male announcer ] introducing... a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this pla
the moral hesitancy assad may have about using them. >> regardless of what happens to al assad, we had this threat, this problem, not only to us, but to our allies in the region. turkey, jordan, israel, all worry if assad falls, there must be a plan to secure these chemical weapon sites, but we should tell our viewers that u.s. militaries understood this problem and have been planning and work wg allies over the region over the course of the last 12 months. they have been planning for it....
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there is talk now that bashar al-assad may try to seek asylum. should the u.s. position be no, you must be held to account for what you've done, or let's just get him out of here? >> well, i don't think the international criminal court is a legitimate organization under any circumstances, but in this case i think it posts the hard question whether this determination to prosecute somebody doesn't cause more death and destruction than giving somebody like bashar al-assad immunity, getting them out of the country and trying to end this conflict. the problem is it's hard to see who can give him that real grant, maybe the russians and that's why there is reporting that they are talking to bashar al-assad. but one reason i think he and other dictators tend to stay to the end is they don't think there is any real immunity and i think that is too bad. gregg: and the u.s. position should be? >> i think if somebody like russia would grant him asylum that we ought to accept it and see if we can't get this conflict over with before 10,000 more civilians are killed. gregg: b
there is talk now that bashar al-assad may try to seek asylum. should the u.s. position be no, you must be held to account for what you've done, or let's just get him out of here? >> well, i don't think the international criminal court is a legitimate organization under any circumstances, but in this case i think it posts the hard question whether this determination to prosecute somebody doesn't cause more death and destruction than giving somebody like bashar al-assad immunity, getting...